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	<description>nurturing grassroots expressions of the Kingdom in san diego</description>
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		<title>Comment on Trying to Live More Simply: My Journey &#8211; and Budget by John Mustol</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Mustol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 23:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A belated thanks for an informative and very helpful conversation about personal lifestyle, economic, and world issues that we all need to face.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A belated thanks for an informative and very helpful conversation about personal lifestyle, economic, and world issues that we all need to face.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Journey in Progress by Elizabeth</title>
		<link>http://www.ecclesiacollective.org/?p=1138&#038;cpage=1#comment-1639</link>
		<dc:creator>Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 18:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My GOD!! you&#039;re baby is soooooooo cute!.. im just a aild&#039;s fan and personally i can tell you. been adopted is such a weir experience.. but the gift of love who makes you feel that someone decide to love you and to rescue you form the past.. is the best.. BLESSINGS for you and your GREAT familly =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My GOD!! you&#8217;re baby is soooooooo cute!.. im just a aild&#8217;s fan and personally i can tell you. been adopted is such a weir experience.. but the gift of love who makes you feel that someone decide to love you and to rescue you form the past.. is the best.. BLESSINGS for you and your GREAT familly =)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dancing Under Bridges by Becca</title>
		<link>http://www.ecclesiacollective.org/?p=786&#038;cpage=1#comment-1631</link>
		<dc:creator>Becca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes! This is what Jesus did... befriended the ones who were too broken to fit. My heart rejoiced as I read this; the Kingdom lives! I&#039;m praying for you guys today, that your &quot;love may increase more and more&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes! This is what Jesus did&#8230; befriended the ones who were too broken to fit. My heart rejoiced as I read this; the Kingdom lives! I&#8217;m praying for you guys today, that your &#8220;love may increase more and more&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dancing Under Bridges by Poppy Enyart</title>
		<link>http://www.ecclesiacollective.org/?p=786&#038;cpage=1#comment-1625</link>
		<dc:creator>Poppy Enyart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 06:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My son and daughter inspire me to do more.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Trying to Live More Simply: My Journey &#8211; and Budget by Christopher Mardell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher Mardell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 13:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.

It&#039;s great to hear of someone living out the ideas I&#039;ve been considering and debating with myself (and others) for years, and trying to implement in some form or other.

I think that there are two dangerous lies that are currently being perpetuated that stand in stark contrast with your approach to the world. The first is the necessity of continuing exponential economic growth, globally - the world gets richer, forever. This is impossible in a finite earth. The second, which is closely coupled to the first, is continuing economic growth, locally, or on a personal level: to spend one&#039;s life accumulating personal material wealth, and to spend lots of time doing so. The result of these two situations is that we apparently need to keep everyone employed full time to fund their mortgage and fancy cars and entertainment, the net result not being a happy society but an overworked, disconnected, stressed society that doesn&#039;t understand why we&#039;re not happy with all these luxuries. And in order to keep everyone employed full time and accumulate said wealth, we need to make and sell lots of junk, thereby using more than our share of the resources that the world can provide.

In contrast to this picture of rampant consumptive self-destruction, the simple life you have explained is a great picture of &quot;less is more&quot;: less work, less stuff to clutter up your life, less debt, less stress equals more happiness, more satisfaction, more chances to contribute to the world rather than taking from it, and more opportunity for others to live a life without daily struggle and grief.

The one question I have is this, the obligatory question of economists (though I am not one myself): if everyone in the Global North lived a life as you have described, what would happen to the local and global economy with the accompanying drop in trade? My simple, thinking-out-loud-late-at-night answer to that question is that it would collapse as it depends on growth for investment. But if our economy (&quot;our&quot; being both global and local, which for me is Australian) were more focused on balance and equality and sharing of wealth rather than growth, it might be possible. This would necessitate paying higher prices for material goods, which means fairer wages for all, simpler lives, and less work hours (as automated labour along with reduced consumption reduces the need for jobs). It would also require a greater shift toward non-consumptive, sustainable service-based economic activity, i.e. less people earning a living by selling useless stuff.

All that aside, it is a joy to live a life that is moving toward simplicity rather than complexity, giving away what stuff you have, catching the train, seeking a balance of life that is outward-looking and generous, and I am encouraged by your zeal and humility in aiming to be a positive, Godly, lightly-treading force in the world.

Keep up the faith.

Thanks,

Christopher
South Australia</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s great to hear of someone living out the ideas I&#8217;ve been considering and debating with myself (and others) for years, and trying to implement in some form or other.</p>
<p>I think that there are two dangerous lies that are currently being perpetuated that stand in stark contrast with your approach to the world. The first is the necessity of continuing exponential economic growth, globally &#8211; the world gets richer, forever. This is impossible in a finite earth. The second, which is closely coupled to the first, is continuing economic growth, locally, or on a personal level: to spend one&#8217;s life accumulating personal material wealth, and to spend lots of time doing so. The result of these two situations is that we apparently need to keep everyone employed full time to fund their mortgage and fancy cars and entertainment, the net result not being a happy society but an overworked, disconnected, stressed society that doesn&#8217;t understand why we&#8217;re not happy with all these luxuries. And in order to keep everyone employed full time and accumulate said wealth, we need to make and sell lots of junk, thereby using more than our share of the resources that the world can provide.</p>
<p>In contrast to this picture of rampant consumptive self-destruction, the simple life you have explained is a great picture of &#8220;less is more&#8221;: less work, less stuff to clutter up your life, less debt, less stress equals more happiness, more satisfaction, more chances to contribute to the world rather than taking from it, and more opportunity for others to live a life without daily struggle and grief.</p>
<p>The one question I have is this, the obligatory question of economists (though I am not one myself): if everyone in the Global North lived a life as you have described, what would happen to the local and global economy with the accompanying drop in trade? My simple, thinking-out-loud-late-at-night answer to that question is that it would collapse as it depends on growth for investment. But if our economy (&#8221;our&#8221; being both global and local, which for me is Australian) were more focused on balance and equality and sharing of wealth rather than growth, it might be possible. This would necessitate paying higher prices for material goods, which means fairer wages for all, simpler lives, and less work hours (as automated labour along with reduced consumption reduces the need for jobs). It would also require a greater shift toward non-consumptive, sustainable service-based economic activity, i.e. less people earning a living by selling useless stuff.</p>
<p>All that aside, it is a joy to live a life that is moving toward simplicity rather than complexity, giving away what stuff you have, catching the train, seeking a balance of life that is outward-looking and generous, and I am encouraged by your zeal and humility in aiming to be a positive, Godly, lightly-treading force in the world.</p>
<p>Keep up the faith.</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>Christopher<br />
South Australia</p>
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		<title>Comment on Church as a Co-op: 3rd Principle by Shawn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 06:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I belong to a co-op where a the most diverse religious group in the world get together every year and decide where to spend missions money and how to boycott Disney and gay people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I belong to a co-op where a the most diverse religious group in the world get together every year and decide where to spend missions money and how to boycott Disney and gay people.</p>
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		<title>Comment on convenient separation by Shawn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 06:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John you are way too smart! :) Well said!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John you are way too smart! <img src='http://www.ecclesiacollective.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Well said!</p>
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		<title>Comment on i am not a supporter of house church(es) by Shawn</title>
		<link>http://www.ecclesiacollective.org/?p=60&#038;cpage=1#comment-1272</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 06:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciate how you do not see it as the only viable way to do &quot;church&quot; but more as a theological expression of the church. Comming from a pastor of a institutionalized denominational church, i find that it is very refreshing. I think &quot;House Church&quot; causes a reaction from people in my world because there are so many &quot;House church&quot; people who are a reaction to a bad experience in a &quot;institutional&quot; church(in my experience usually bigger churches) I appreciate that you have a well thought theology behind it and your not just an angry reactionary.

p.s. your a hippy :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate how you do not see it as the only viable way to do &#8220;church&#8221; but more as a theological expression of the church. Comming from a pastor of a institutionalized denominational church, i find that it is very refreshing. I think &#8220;House Church&#8221; causes a reaction from people in my world because there are so many &#8220;House church&#8221; people who are a reaction to a bad experience in a &#8220;institutional&#8221; church(in my experience usually bigger churches) I appreciate that you have a well thought theology behind it and your not just an angry reactionary.</p>
<p>p.s. your a hippy <img src='http://www.ecclesiacollective.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on You&#8217;re Not Alone by Shawn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 06:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ahhhhh those were great times..... I miss you guys a bunch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ahhhhh those were great times&#8230;.. I miss you guys a bunch.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Funny Things by T.C. Porter</title>
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		<dc:creator>T.C. Porter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg: Thanks so much. You&#039;re an inspiration. What you do &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.genesisdiez.org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;in Ensenada&lt;/a&gt; is a miracle. Yearning to do something like that up here. Love, TC</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg: Thanks so much. You&#8217;re an inspiration. What you do <a href="http://www.genesisdiez.org" rel="nofollow">in Ensenada</a> is a miracle. Yearning to do something like that up here. Love, TC</p>
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